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Fixing Rivian Efficiency: Aerodynamics (RTT vs. R1T)
12" Vinyl Roll: amzn.to/4dNvOlp
Absolutely could_not_believe the range loss from adding our Roof Top Tent (Roofnest Condor 2 Overland), but can we get most of it back without breaking the bank?
Absolutely could_not_believe the range loss from adding our Roof Top Tent (Roofnest Condor 2 Overland), but can we get most of it back without breaking the bank?
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Fixing Rivian Efficiency: The AC Inverter
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Whenever you want AC power in your R1.1 Rivian, it has to power up all it's computer systems, which creates a crazy ~400w phantom drain, dramatically impacting your range and efficiency. Thankfully Rivian recently released a software update offering a new "Auto" option, which is perfect for electric coolers as long as you pair it with the right kit: BougeRV Cooler Power Station - amzn.to/4cxbNO...
Camping VLOG: Groveland & Yosemite
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Just a quick little weekend camping trip, up to Groveland CA to check out the newest Rivian Adventure Network charger, overnight with the Llamas, and then up to Yosemite for stunning vistas and a refreshing dip in the Merced river.
Misleading Rivian Route Planning Bias?
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The Out of Spec team has been running an R1S DM Max press car in their recent Ft. Collins CO to Las Vegas road trip 'races', and experienced some strange route planning behavior along the way. We've never seen this before in our R1T DM Max, on our recent 4,500 mile road trip to Texas and back and along many of the same driving segments they had issues, or right now just plotting a trip to Ft. C...
All your (Rivian) EV Roadtrip Questions - ANSWERED
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On our epic road trip to Texas for the 2024 Solar Eclipse we logged a whopping 4520.1 Miles and burned an amazing 2.44 Megawatt-hours of power in our Rivian R1T Dual Motor Max Pack Performance. What did it cost? How did we plan it out? Did we run out of power and Die?? Everyone has been throwing a million questions at us so let's knock down the top ten for you: 00:00 Introduction 01:30 What was...
Induction Camp Cooking: Czech Sausage Goulash / Buřt guláš
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After a fun day of off-roading with the NorCal Rivian folks, what better way to recharge than a hearty Czech dinner! Ingredients: 1 large onion (or 2 medium) chopped 1 tbl spoon oil or lard 1 polish kielbasa (13.5oz) sliced to half moons 1 tsp salt 1/2 tsp ground caraway seeds 1/2 to 1 tsp chili pepper flakes per taste 3 cloves garlic 1 tbs tomato paste 1 tsp hungarian sweet paprika 1 tsp smoke...
Induction Camp Cooking: Breakfast Avocado Toast
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Leisure camping morning with gourmet breakfast avocado toast. Ingredients: Fresh eggs Oil Left over cooked potatoes (see Fire Pit Potato recipe here: ua-cam.com/video/WNCtVyM4Pf4/v-deo.htmlsi=pEGGY62Ra9Ctdu36&t=132) Sliced sourdough bread Sliced avocado Trader Joe's Everything but The Bagel Sesame Seasoning Blend Directions: 1) Heat up a griddle on middle heat (set induction cooktop both cooker...
Rivian Dual Motor: Off-Road at Prairie City OHV Park
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The Rivian R1T and R1S are well known for their epic off-road performance, but does this hold true for thier newer dual-motor setup vs. the origional full-fat Quad Motor configuration? We put it to the test during Gary's Jamboree 2024's visit to the Prairie City SVRA near Sacramento California.
Induction Camp Cooking: Caffè Mocha
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There is nothing like taking a break and making our own gourmet coffee when off-roading or while charging our Rivian! Brewing coffee in a Moka pot: 1) Fill the bottom of the moka pot with water until it reaches just below the safety valve. 2) Fill the brewing basket to the top with medium coffee grounds, tap gently to even out (do not pack) 3) Screw on the top tightly. 4) Heat the moka pot on m...
Induction Camp Cooking: Steaks & Wine
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Induction Camp Cooking: Steaks & Wine
EV Range when Off-Road (ft. Donut and their very bad Cybertruck video)
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EV Range when Off-Road (ft. Donut and their very bad Cybertruck video)
Rivian Camping Kitchen from Thunderbolt Adventure Supply
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Rivian Camping Kitchen from Thunderbolt Adventure Supply
Moab Preview - Rivian in the Canyon Lands
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Moab Preview - Rivian in the Canyon Lands
Camp Kitchen Preview & Welcome to Moab!!
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Camp Kitchen Preview & Welcome to Moab!!
Happy Easter from the road, Las Cruces NM!
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Happy Easter from the road, Las Cruces NM!
3...2..1...Eclipse or Bust, we're off to Texas!
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3...2..1...Eclipse or Bust, we're off to Texas!
Roofnest Condor 2 Overland UNBOXED!
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Roofnest Condor 2 Overland UNBOXED!
Rivian Charging: Peak POWER vs. Charge TIME
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Rivian Charging: Peak POWER vs. Charge TIME
Rivian: In Defense of the Max Pack
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Rivian: In Defense of the Max Pack
Rivian MAX Pack - Full Fast Charge Curve & Analysis
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Rivian MAX Pack - Full Fast Charge Curve & Analysis
Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (3/3)
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Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (3/3)
Camping VLOG: Mt.Lassen, Burney Falls, Subway Caves
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Camping VLOG: Mt.Lassen, Burney Falls, Subway Caves
Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (2/3)
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Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (2/3)
Hitchgate from Wilco Offroad - Tire Carrier for the Tire'less Overlander
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Hitchgate from Wilco Offroad - Tire Carrier for the Tire'less Overlander
Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (1/3)
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Overlanding California - Enjoying Just Deserts (1/3)
Thanks for all the great videos about the R1T! Would you mind telling me what induction stove and cast iron griddle that is? They seem to fit together so well. Also, did you make the camp kitchen yourself? I hope I am not missing a video about these things but I didn't see one.
Camp kitchen (including induction cooktop) is made by the fine folks over at Thunderbolt Adventure Supply: ua-cam.com/video/Sytq21OGG0A/v-deo.html
The cast iron griddle is from Lodge: www.rei.com/product/126877/lodge-reversible-griddlegrill-1675-in?sku=1268770001
I too have the dual motor max pack but have the 21" wheels. I drive about 4k miles a month, live in the South Bay, if you ever need high mileage experiment lmk.
From where you buy those gas strut
I just emailed Roofnest support and they set me up.
nice work. someone discovered this a couple of years ago. they improved range by adding painters tape to cover the same area.
One of the best cadenced and formatted road trip videos I’ve seen. 10/10 - keep posting!!
Will the sun will melt the vinyl and it'll droop into the vent hole? A more permanent 3d printed solution or a piece of coroplast?
Yup agree, I've reached out to a contact I have at EVBASE to see if they might be interested in making some sort of 3D printed or maybe sculpted foam block to make plugging/unplugging the vent easy and more robust.
@@MotorsportUnpluggedfingers crossed
Wind direction and temperature will play a big part as well. Maybe note it next time as it gives more context on the results. The gain does look promising!
Big excitement regarding THE AT 2 extremes any feed back yet
So it’s been 3 years what are your results please 🎉
bringing 12v to the tailbed would be the best option
what web site did you use to find camping site?
hipcamp.onelink.me/ZwFp?af_r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hipcamp.com%2Fland%2Fozxhn8w7
You go on a diatribe about how the AC inverter eats your range, then at the end of the video you have wide-open wheels that are really aero inefficient. That seems a bit hypocritical. Also your math for the cooler battery runtime doesn't add up. First, a 190 Wh usable battery can only power a 40W load for about 5 hours, not overnight. If the cooler battery drains overnight, because it's only 60W input with a 40W load, the 220 Wh battery only gets charged with 20W. So it would take almost 11 hours to charge fully while running the cooler at the same time, not 4 hours.
While possibly good point on the wheels, stay tuned for the next episode where we dig into that efficiency or not. 50lb less rotational mass vs. more open face rims, place your bets!
As for the Domestic fridge, you missed the point that it like any real pump&refrigerant based system, cycles. 40w when it's on, 0 when it's dormant.
40w is only when compressor runs, usually not always on.
Does the Rivian not have a low voltage DC that you can tie into? I would imagine that it’s at least a bit more efficient than the inverter.
You know yes it does, but the battery is absolutely tiny. Worse, much like the AC inverters, the HV>12v charger requires the computers to power up. Part of this series will be discussing that issue too...
I had the same question and look forward to that discussion later in the series. Briefly, does the Rivian detect that the 12V battery needs to be charged up and then run an HV->12V charge cycle to do it? If it doesn’t, then the risk is that you have a bricked EV in the morning. If it does, then there’s obviously a cost to running that charge cycle, but is it limited just to the time required for the charge? In other words, the trade-off here would be running the fridge all night on 120V with the inverter powered all night vs running the fridge on 12V with [whatever black box handles HV->12V] running only for as long as necessary (presumably not all night).
Huge discussion here on the subject: www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/gen-1-vampire-drain-possibly-solved-or-hacked.31506/
I think it goes without saying that the first generation Rvian vehicles were far from optimized. The second generation appears to be much better. Probably the best answer to your issues is to buy a second generation truck.
There are some real cons to go with the pros of the R1.2 trucks. Smaller frunk, no physical door handles, probably no silicon carbide power inverter on the rear axle for the Dual Motors. Yes the new electrical/computer system would be great to have, but it's not all upside...
Oh I feel your pain. Having the XC60 PHEV (that you know in and out) and we go camping in a non rooftop tent with it. We have a 1kWh Ecoflow and oh how I wish we could top it up with a 230V AC plug from the car. Just quickly as it supports very high powered charging and then shit the car off. But the XC60 PHEV doesn't offer that. So we have to have the whole car active to activate the 12V outlet to recharge the ecoflow... What a waste of energy. You basically have to hold the battery charge in the XC60 to be able to have the car sitting idelling for hours and hours over the weekend to re-charge the ecoflow to run the cooler and our phones and cameras. And then you drive home on petrol as you'd have to anyways.... But still
So the cute trick I figured out with my old XC60...was to literally hard wire a 12v connection from the vehicle's battery (a very nice large AGM, vastly bigger than the Rivian's) to my Bluetti camp battery. The camp battery would slowly soak up power until the voltage dropped enough for the Volvo to cycle on the HV>12v recharger, it would do it's thing, and then the process would continue and repeat. Much better than actually turning the vehicle on.
Has the roofnest affected range?
Yes, around 8%. Will have some video content coming soon on trying to reduce that loss.
@@MotorsportUnplugged ok I'm looking at a used condor xl for my F150 lighting er
Some more detail for you since you're actively in the market...lost 8% in mixed driving, but I suspect that is significantly due to the roof vents directing air to slam right into the RTT. I've heard closing those vents can be a boon to efficiency and will be testing that...does the F150 roofline have similar aero tricks?
@@MotorsportUnplugged no f150 has no tracks, I think that side awning you have it taking most of the extra energy. I am going to try to keep everything behind my real glass. just did a 1200 mi trip with 4 bikes on a rack in the back and got 2.0 to 2.3mi/kwh depending on speed
ua-cam.com/video/UrFNjk9lm2c/v-deo.html
Which rooftop tent is this?
Roofnest Condor 2 Overland: ua-cam.com/video/HyyUyDf4oi4/v-deo.htmlsi=WB-I060ADW9H-9OF
Why not have a 2 sets of wheels, one for tarmac/daily use, then your offroad/camping set. And the new wheels look good but are they strong enough for off road use? I dont recognize the manufacturer.
That's Atomic Wheels (atomic-wheels.com), and while the wheels are rated for 1170kg, kinda TBD.
Great video! I have the BougeRV fridge that I keep in my frunk and use for local grocery shopping. It gets too hot in there during the summer months and road tripping so I put it in the gear tunnel or truck bed on road trips. This last road trip up to Silver Falls in Oregon and down the Oregon coast, I folded up the right rear seat and set it on top of the sub woofer for easy access. Power drain was about 5% per night when we were at campsites without hookups. BTW...a couple of your Amazon links are duplicated/missing.
Yeah the Frunk is always going to be toasty because the AC radiators dump their heat against the tub, check out the Munro & Associates teardown of that area, it's an...interesting design choice. You have an early R1.1 with the 12 plugs in the frunk?
Links fixed, ty!
Yeah. Really early build…000045!
This is a tire review not a music video kill the music in tire reviews
Did you try the Range Rover Evoque/Discovery Sport PHEV? They have the same configuration which we call "Axle Split". We developed parts of that car and it's quite capable offroad as long as you take care to the ground clearance :)
Here is the real issue. It’s not asking for 10% more money. Because the $7500 tax rebate is eliminated after $79,999, the real cost is not $10k more. It’s $17.5k more. While it’s not Rivian’s fault but it is their problem to solve.
How is wet asphault performance with these tires? I have good experience with the AT-M by Hankook.
Actually a taller tire requires more force to turn the tire, so lower fuel mileage. And raising the body does increase the airnresistence and lowerinf your mileage even more.
Does the siping go all the way down or only halfway? If halfway, thats not good.
did everyone is the group air down to the same PSI? that makes a difference so trying to understand if that was equal. from this test, seems like there's no real advantage to the quad in off-road situations but in certain situations the dual actually has the advantage? wth is the quad for other than bonkers 0-60 and torque vectoring?
Oh no, the 30'ish R1s with us that day, while we all got the same air-down recommendations from the event organizers, certainly didn't air them down the same way, this was not an organized comparison test but a great day at the off-road park playing with our toys on the same obstacles. As for the Quad, well it was first, it is very fast, and the new quad will no doubt be even more bonkers.
you cannot do recovery boards, the tent will not open, I have the same tent
It works, though I did have to pull 3 teeth from the top board. We will be shooting a more real "review" of the tent while camping this weekend near Yosemite, will be sure to show that 👍🏻
Another theory I have is the minimum arrival on intermediate stops forced them to that waypoints charger rather than arriving with a very low SOC at the EA charger.
Agree that's a possibility, Rivian doesn't currently allow a way to set the minimum SOC at those mid-waypoints. ABRP sure can, so hopefully that trickles down before long.
@@MotorsportUnplugged exactly.
I wonder if the Out of Spec team unknowingly had the charger ratings limiting charger locations in the Rivian nav. If the EA station they wanted the Rivian to route to had a 'C' or lower rating and the nav was limited to selecting 'B' or better rated chargers, it would explain the preference for the Rivian waypoint charger.
Yes but, to be clear there are no 'charger ratings' in the onboard route planner, as shown in this video. There is for the Nav map charger display filter, and while that _could_ trickle down to the route navigation settings, nothing else does so not much reason to imagine ratings against all odds, do.
You should use kW and not MPH. The power is independent of the tires etc.
Power is kW. Energy is kW-hrs. Nice video!
As soon as I saw the video I checked and I didn't see preference for RAN. But I think I did in the past. I think they may have tweaked the software. I have seen bad route planning. But they are getting better with time.
Agreement with your video. Kyle @ OutofSpec's reviews can be a little sketchy with some of his statements made in some of OutofSpec's content.
I really would like to get an EV for road trips but stopping every 140 miles is too much for me. I would need a battery that has 700 mile range so I could stop at 275 miles. Surprised at the cost. I had to do it twice to be sure but in my ICE suv that trip would be just over $600
I hear you...if you wanted something that could drive for 3-4 hours straight, at any practical speed in any weather, while only using say 60% of your battery capacity because you're road tripping and need to save 10% at the bottom at skip 30% at the top so you can recharge fast and keep rolling, that would be something in the 600-700 EPA mile range. We'll get there in 5-10 years, the R1 Max and Silverado are just the first taste of that ideal.
Great video! Love the details. One detail oriented thing … you paid for energy (kWh) not power (kW). $ per kW*hour (NOT $ per kW).
Sigh, I knew the KWH Cops would come for me eventually... :-P
@@MotorsportUnplugged well if you’re making a video this informative, it’s important to hit those details appropriately. Love your videos - they are helping us make an informed decision!
as a fellow spreadsheet nerd. Great job. And this is the info I really wanted to know!! Thanks
I like your point about the EV journey being more relaxed. I have found that to be the case with the trips I have taken with my Taycan. There is feeling of rush, rush, rush. It also gives you a bit more time to explore things that you might not otherwise have seen or done.
I really wish Rivian would have put lockers on this thing. Have you encountered any obstacles that you haven't been able to get through yet, where lockers would have made the difference in getting through or not?
Have had zero issues, the Rivian suspension has such amazing articulation, and the Dual Motor such great zero RPM power, that it's darn close to effortless. It would have to be some serious crazy rock crawling to challenge what the R1 can do.
Amazing video and summary! Love it. Maybe I’ll do this one day with my R1S.
Go go go, it's summer time for a road trip!! :-)
What kind of tires were on it
These are the OE Rivian AT 20" package, the Perelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus.
Thank you for the video! Not much comparison videos or even dual motor videos on the off road capabilities. Makes it feel like you can only go off road with quad motor so thanks for sharing!!
I recently traded my 2022 Quad for a 2023 PDM Max Pack...thus far (~1,500 miles) I am very pleased. Overall, it seems like it's better put together than our 22. Question...so my "range" estimator states 389 (22" wheels). On a long road trip this past week, we got 2.47 mi/kwh which is pretty great in my opinion. This is at ~76 mph @~84 degrees. So if we take 141.5 kwh usable times 2.47 mi/kwh = ~350 miles on the highway. What efficiency are you seeing with your Max Pack? Thank you
ABRP now has integration with Rivian where it starts plotting out your real world efficiency. So far we're looking like 2.29m/kwh, and that's with our AT tires and the RTT on the back which I'm too lazy to take off :-P
hello from Italy Florence how do these Hankook dynapro at2 all terrain tires behave on wet asphalt and on snow and mud because I would be willing to buy it for my Suzuki Jimny 4x4! (Hello, I have a set of Hankook dynapro atf RF 10 205-70-15 m+s all terrain tires on my Suzuki Jimny 4x4 and a set of retreaded mud terrain tires from the Italian brand ziarelli and they are the mud Power model ziarelli MT 205-70 -15 !)
I would say they are great on pavement and gravel, pretty good on snow, and mud I think the tread isn't aggressive enough compared to a more hard core AT tire. That being said, trying to combine mud terrain and road manners is just about impossible, so you kinda need to pick a lane with those mixed requirements.
@@MotorsportUnplugged thanks greetings frome Florence Italy
Great video, I’ve been looking for a good comparison of the dual versus quad motor in an off-road off camber scenario.
Kind of ugly though
This is literally more of a truck than Cybertruck will ever be
Lockers would be nice!! But that being said, Rivian's brake LDS system + it's long travel suspension seems quite capable.
I feel that Rivian is missing a tick not fitting a low range gear, especially in the dual motor. It would allow for more control and the motor wouldn't have to work as hard nor be as twitchy as it currently is. Mercedes-Benz is fitting it to there new electric G Wagon and it makes a big difference for low speed manoeuvrability.
Rumor are of the refreshed R1 and news of R1X to come this week. That being said, we had no issues with throttle control using proper 2-peddle technique.
Very cool! Do you feel like the dual motor is capable enough off road?
Not a problem at all, more in-depth look coming this Friday.
Many argue that the dual is better than QM as it is much closer to to offering a mechanical diff lock
Nice design, would be better though if the Flip top, flipped to the rear instead, this would allow access to rear door of truck, also so provide a propane stove option, campers love cooking with flame.
Amazing! Where is this at?
That's an overlook towards the top of the Shafer Trail: www.nps.gov/thingstodo/experience-the-shafer-trail.htm